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« on: September 20, 2006, 02:38:37 pm »
I'd love to contribute.. But the forum software is horrible. :(

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 02:49:20 pm »

I guess that's first time I hear of someone declining to

participate because of the software. I can certainly agree

it's not very pretty, but it seems functional enough. If there

something it doesn't do that you need, Shigs?



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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 02:57:17 pm »

Display things in an easy to organise manner.



This has to be the weakest piece of forum software I've ever seen in the case of accessibiluty, usabilty and ease of navigation.



I wouldn't touch this software with a barge poll even for 'teen chatting'.



It being used as a serious basis for discusson of a topic as strenious as lpc upses me greatly.



Try something that looks organised and coherint.





It seems to me this software was chosen because someone



A) knew a developer of it

B) thought it looked cool

C) wanted so badly to be diffrent.



no real thought seems to be placed on what the forum software for the community would need to address and as it goes. I don't feel this does.





I thought LPUNI forum software was weak but it did a great job than this.



Reccomendation - http://www.simplemachines.org">http://www.simplemachines.org/


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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 03:11:33 pm »
I agree for the most part. This software is very odd. But hey, I'll accept beer in trade.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 03:19:37 pm »

Interesting.



Thanks for the recommendation. I'm sure it's fine, as you suggest.



The decision to use this software was mine. Your

guesses as to why I chose it are all incorrect.



The simple truth is, I went alphabetically down the list of

forum packages I downloaded. I'd never in my life set up

a forum, so I was being methodical in trying them out.



The ones starting with "A" didn't work so great.



This one, starting with B, worked pretty well right out of the box.



And shortly after it started working, LPU completely imploded.

I figured it would be a good idea to make *something*

available, and since this does the job, this is where it stayed.



Nobody lobbied for it, nobody's trying to show off or "look cool".

I'm just a guy with limited time to do things, and this is where

the little metal ball stopped on the roulette wheel.



You sound pretty outraged, and I guess if I were in an elected

post, paid for my duties, I also would expect myself to spend a lot

more time on that sort of thing, getting it exactly right and so on.



But really I'm just the one guy, a volunteer, and web stuff isn't

my strength. Mudlib work is. I came to the decision that this

forum software was "good enough for now", and that's where

it stands. This is what I can do, right now.



I will, however, take a serious look at your recommendation and

see if it's something I'll be able to set up within the limited time

I have for such things. If I can, I will then evaluate it for suitability.



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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 04:00:40 pm »
I have to admit I did not like BeeHive all that much at first. And there are still a few things (like being able to see the number of times a Thread has been viewed) which I really miss.



But really, I have to admit, it has grown on me.



It is really different, which is not such a bad thing, and it is certainly not the equal of say phpBB, but it does the job.



I took one look at the support site and it does not seem like they are really doing a whole lot. Perhaps that means we could influence them into making some additions/modifications.



Or maybe they can explain the logic behind the nickname/userid concept.





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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 04:16:43 pm »

Crat lets not fall out over this, we're friend as is. but your sarcastic tone of your post dosen't bode well with me.



And now as far as limited time goes, I can have smf setup in fiftheen minutes. It would mean loss of current data, but things happen.



I'm on rugose so if you want to discuss it further we can.



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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 04:19:13 pm »

Shigs,



I just had someone else tell me they thought

I was being sarcastic in my response to you.



I'm sorry I came off that way, I am serious, I *will* look

at that software. I was also trying to be diplomatic, since

you obviously felt strongly about it.



Anyway, sorry if I offended, we'll talk about it more on the mud.



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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 08:44:32 pm »

Is it really a big deal to people? It seems functional enough.



I guess to me forums are a means to an end, not an end in themselves.



If we were running a Philosophical Discussions Forum, or a GWAR Fan Board, I'd see the need for a change, but I think most threads in here are pretty technical, so I don't really mind the packaging they come with.



I think that spending too much time fixing fundamentally-unbroken things will only set Crat back release-wise. So I understand why Shigs' request might be a bit chafing.



Aesthetically it may not be appealing to everyone, but it does get the job done. It's frustrating to think you have something nailed down and can get on to the next thing when someone rips up the plank and says, "But is it the right color?", you know?


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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 05:36:49 pm »

Its the diffrence between a hacksack and a chainsaw



not which colour the model comes in


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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006, 07:55:44 am »
Cratylus said he was going to investigate some other Forum software, and that is fine.



However, I can promise everyone here that we will not do anything to break the momentum we have going. Less than 2 weeks and we have 42 members who have made over 300 posts! All this happened before a single Ad was posted.



If, at some point in the future, we decide that we must switch to some new software we will find a way to transfer the content of this Forum to the new one.



This place is not about Forum software, it is about giving people a place to share their thoughts and work with others. So far, I would say we are doing one hell of a good job.



Personally I am a lot more interesting in finding out what we can do with what we have. The advantage to a small package like BeeHive is that a set of strong voices can get things done with it that would be simply impossible with a more well-established piece of software.



Shigs I am sorry you dislike the software so much, but we have a good thing going here and it is going to continue just like this for now.



 



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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2006, 03:25:36 pm »
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Personally I am a lot more interesting in finding out what we can do with what we have. The advantage to a small package like BeeHive is that a set of strong voices can get things done with it that would be simply impossible with a more well-established piece of software.





So when will you be converting crazyforums to the BeeHive software?



'simply impossible' an oxymoron if ever one was presented to me.



Well I'm glad you like tinkering with the forum software - my concern is with the learning curve the majority of users are used to forum software such as SMF as I reccomended and not this hybrid - frames powered type.



My concern its weak in the sense of accesibilty its not so-supported as someone outlined elsewhere and as stated prior new users aren't familar as a number of users stated the learning curve is a bit akward.



I consider myself quite web-savvy being a designer and developer and I'm struggling myself to move about the site with its not so inovative navigation.



Yes we've had high user sign ups and user contributon, but how many of them are posting avidily, I'd say it'd be more with a more understandble piece of software.

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2006, 09:51:55 am »

It really is an ugly forum. :p



I am sorry to say it, but it does affect me how the forums look and are navigated. I find it more enjoyable to browse a simple and gorgeous looking site than a complicated and ugly one. If I end up not enjoying browsing a site, I'll simply stop visiting that site. So while I am still enjoying the content enough to pop in here, I think I'd be a more frequent with a better forum software.



That being said, I am still grateful to Cratylus for what he is providing us out of his own pocket. It is not like we are in a position to whine about it. But I still wanted to let my two cents hit the bottom on this one.



Cheers!


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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2006, 07:02:15 am »
As I expected

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 04:19:36 pm »

I agree with what is said about the navigation part.

It feels uneasy and I miss oversight.



On the other hand I also have to agree with the momentum-factor.

The forum-software seems to be on the agenda, just not that

high positioned. If this piece of bubblegum keeps its growing

curve I have no doubt that secondary things (read: forum, etc.)

grow with it.  (nod)

Always remember that the early bird gets the worm first, but the fi...*SNAP*...second mouse gets the cheese.