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daelaskai

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« on: September 28, 2006, 09:02:20 AM »
Hail!



Anybody interested in going 'with' me to visit the BeeHive home forum?



I have only take a single look, but it looks like a wacky bunch, and frankly 'wacky' is not one of the things I deal best with so I thought perhaps a few companions might help.



If you do come along, please use the same name you use here so I, and others, can recognize you (although for some of you I would suggest a capital letter but that is just me).



The plan is to visit a bit, check the place out, and then see what is really happening with BeeHive development, and most importantly, see if we can influence that development a bit. Even if we only get a few things added/changed the trip would be worth it.





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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2006, 09:11:24 AM »

Can you ask them to add support for <a name =""> as it caused me a load of grief yesterday !!!



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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 09:31:21 AM »
I was thinking we should start to collect some suggestions/changes so sure.



Personally I would love to have a page that showed the number of views a Thread has gotten, and a right side panel that listed the Forums and Theads with more detail.





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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 10:20:12 AM »

What we do not need here are posts suggesting a change of software from BeeHive entirely. This thread is about making what we have better if that is indeed possible.



Aside from that, any changes, additions or expansions anyone would like to see are welcome here. We may have to discuss individual ideas, especially once we know more of the technical details, but every suggestion will be given fair consideration.





http://www.tehforum.co.uk/forum/">http://www.tehforum.co.uk/forum/





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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2006, 12:38:42 AM »

Can't you just ditch BeeHive? Sorry, not very constructive - but wishful.



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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 09:47:05 AM »
Despite the fact that I asked nobody to say that in this Thread I am going to respond this one time.



Eventually we very well might change Forum software, but not right now. For right now we are going to see what we can do to get it modified to better suit our purposes.







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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 07:01:28 AM »

Which means Alex has no true intention of changing the forum software at all.





Because later down the road his stock response will be, "We put in so much work to get it modified"


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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 07:29:46 AM »

Shigs,



Alex administers the forums but I own and run the site itself.



In your harsh criticism, please include me as one of the people

making the decisions about what the site looks like.



I think you've made your opinion clear, and I think we have

been up front about the reasons for our decisions thus far.



I'm sorry you don't like it, but continually popping attitude

about it doesn't help anybody.



I think I've been open minded in my acceptance of your

criticism, and in fact have been working, in what little spare time

I have, to review other options, set up tests, etc.



That I'm not doing it fast enough to suit you is a disappointment

we'll all have to learn to live with.



In the end we may or may not switch, and if it happens, it

may be soon, or it may not be. It has nothing to do with us

trying to offend your sensibilities, or be different, or...whatever else.



It has to do with being unpaid volunteers with little time and

limited experience in these matters.



I would like to ask for patience on your part, and a little less

negativity, please. I'm doing what I can.



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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 07:49:41 AM »

An intresting point to raise but one which is sorely misplaced in the currenct discussion. Your stock response, "unpaid volunteers" - It was intresting you added the unpaid as volunteers by definition tend to be for effect and sympathy.



If so 'little' time is avaliable why are 'road trips' to other forums to push a dev team to go against the grain of what they want to do or perhaps give gentle persuasion.



Surely thats alot more effort than actulay sitting down and reviewing other options, only to then perhaps indulge in some other 'hybrid' software?


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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 08:24:51 AM »

As little as I like your tone, you raise a good point,

worth discussing.



Alex is doing right by the site. He's identified weaknesses and

is attempting to address them as best he can, given the

limitations of his role as forum-not-site administrator. I believe

he is making good use of his time. He is also demonstrating an

initiative in dealing with this software's shortcomings that

I wish you'd recognize.



As to my own time, it is important to point out the "unpaid" part

of the unpaid volunteers phrase, because what I *do* get

paid for takes up the bulk of my waking hours. When I say

"unpaid", the emphasis is not on "feel sorry for me". The

emphasis is on "this is not my job, and it gets time from

me as it becomes available".



It's been brought to my attention that some folks don't

like beehive, and so as a responsive site admin I have been

working on setting up test sites. I've figured out in the

past couple of weeks how to set up apache and php and

mysql to all work together well enough to try to run forum

software, and then actually try out different kinds of

forum software. This testing is not happening on the lpmuds.net

server for technical reasons. So I've had to do it the

hard way, all on my own, figuring everything out. That is

why it takes time. I have never done it before, so it

will take even more time to get these test rigs not just

working, but working *well*. And if that happens, then the

laborious process of mapping out a conversion process

begins...to see if it's even possible.



This happens at the expense of spending time with my family,

sleeping, and other personal obligations which stack up

when they are not done. And this is the point of saying I'm

an unpaid volunteer. I'm trying to do the best I can by

the site, despite the fact that it cannot be a top priority

for me, like work and family is.



Given the way you're approaching this, I don't actually think

you'll ever be satisfied with what this site looks like,

unless you do it yourself. So my response here isn't so much

for your benefit, as much as for others who may be wondering

"why don't they just change it?"



For people who don't do this stuff as a hobby or as a living,

setting up or changing forums is not a casual flip-the-switch

operation. Not if you care about the site.



I run this site for selfish reasons. I think it benefits the

DS community, I hope it benefits the LP community at large,

and that's a net plus for me, because getting more people

excited about LPC has been pretty much the point of my

efforts for the past year.



I am, however, just a guy. Alex and I are just two dudes

doing what they can. If this were our job, it would be

fair to hold us to professional standards. But it's not,

and it isn't.



I'm frankly just puzzled by your persistent tone of hostility

on this, Shigs, as if this has something personally to

do with you. I don't get it. I'm trying to be open with

you and entertain your concerns, but I'm starting to

think you've just got some sort of personal problem with

one or both of us, and I'm not that interested in

humoring you in a public feud.



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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2006, 09:33:07 AM »
I don't get what the big deal is here! The software is easy to use and allows people to share their ideas!



I wish more people would put effort into moving htings forward. Why not post a few code entries instead of moaning!



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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2006, 12:25:13 PM »
MODERATOR MESSAGE



I have had enough of this.



Shigs, either drop the attitude or get out of my Forum.



When I responded that we were considering a shift in the future that was the literal truth. Your response basically called me a liar. This will not be repeated.



This is the only warning you are going to get. Either drop this tone, and this attitude, or go somewhere else.







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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2006, 12:39:14 PM »
Woah. Sorry for bringing this up despite Alex's direct wish not to - I didn't read that far. I really wasn't looking to set the world on fire.

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »
Just as a nudge Alex, but your last post isn't coming out so nicely in my opinion either. Don't know if that bothers you? Oh well. Sorry again for going against your expressed intention with the thread though.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2006, 03:17:59 PM »
"If you don't agree with me, You will be banned"

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